Reflections on nothing

A pleasant conversation between time and space, space to begin…

‘It would seem that there is more to me than you’

‘How do you figure?’

‘Well I am without end’

‘As am I. Are you also without beginning?’

‘One without end is also necessarily without beginning as you well know’

‘Thus neither can be established and as such our finite nature cannot be discussed’

‘Well it can be discussed, and indeed it has been discussed well. But as Edgar would have it we can have no true knowledge of that which only exists within the imagination of our creators’

‘Ah, but there you make a mistake, I am both visible and actual! ‘Tis you that are naught more than an idea’

‘And again you make a mistake be precluding my intention; infinity exists solely in the imagination, not us, although you try to relegate me to the status of a proposition’

’And is that not where we find you dear friend?’

‘Then you are asking if anything would exist without the ability to think, in which case you raise this ability to the highest sphere. Do you propose that creation exists for a purpose?’

‘Do you propose a purpose for space?’

‘To be travelled across, to be idealized, to be wished for’

‘But again, these ideas have been crafted after the creation of space, no?’

‘Enough. I am without beginning and without end; I am eternal and have not been created!’

‘Then you are without purpose?’

‘I am without purpose insofar as creation is without purpose, what I propose is that neither of us would have existed without thought, although we necessarily predate thought’

‘Then thought is the purpose of…?’

‘I exist independent of thought, but I am dependent upon thought for the relativity of my existence’

‘I also exist without thought, but thought has determined my nature’

‘I think you perhaps are mistaken towards the power of thought my friend, your nature determines your nature. Thought has not invented you but merely recognized you. And even that is a recent occurrence open to debate.’

‘My existence brooks no debate!’

‘No perhaps not, but the recognition of your existence is infinitely debatable’

‘As is yours!’

‘Well that is debatable since I am intrinsic to life whereas you are optional. Thought measures in me the length of determination, thought measures in you the indeterminable’

‘I am intrinsic, without me there could be no thought, I am the heavens’

‘And I am the earth’

‘Which would rather seem to confirm my synopsis that I am of the greater quantity?”

‘Again you jump to conclusions, I am the earth but I am not confined to the earth, I am merely relative to the earth as far as thought exists on said planet’

‘But you do not deny that I am intrinsic to thought?’

‘Decidedly not. No thought can exist without the space in which to exist. That which I postulate is that you are of no consequence to thought since you are already created and thus perfectly fulfill your potential at every moment in time’

‘I hear you talk of yourself as if you are not here, I hear you talk of my self as if I were dependent upon your very self for existence’

‘It was only a thought’

‘Well then, allow me to turn the table. Is existence dependent upon time?’

‘And now it would seem I have defeated your original proposition since without the time to think space would be of no consequence!’

‘Ah-ha, but without the space to think naught could exist’

‘I rather think we should have a word with thought’

Both together then


*Why hallo

‘Did you invent us?’

*Have you not both already come to the conclusion that I am independent of you?

‘Rather the opposite, both myself and time’ spoke space ’have concluded that nothing could exist without ourselves’

*Yes I have been following the conversation closely, but was not the presumption made that you are dependent upon thought for your matter so the speak?

‘Can’t we leave matter out of this?’

‘Yes’ spoke time ‘matter is of no consequence to myself’

*I think you rather underestimate the importance of matter for without matter there would be neither space nor time

‘Is matter then independent of thought?’

*What point would there be to matter without thought, indeed what point either of you?

‘But existence is not dependent upon the recognition of existence’

*Perhaps not, but the recognition of existence is dependent upon thought

‘You speak very highly of yourself’

*I think very highly of myself

‘You think and therefore you are, yea we haft heard it before, but you are dependent upon our selves and our esteemed colleague for your existence’

*A fact which I do not deny, but what point to yourselves…

‘You argue that we exist simply in order to facilitate your existence?’

*There seems no point other wise?

>In which case I seem entitled to ask, to what point yourself?


*Recognition perhaps?

‘Our acknowledgment’

>Whose? I am the essence of you space and I am that which defines you time

*And I suppose you allow for thought?

>Without matter, what would you ponder you ponderous preposition?

*That there perhaps is no point to thought, in which case neither space, time nor matter matter

>You do have a high opinion of yourself

*If there is nothing to ponder, then there is nothing.

To ponder

to ponder for ten years

until the realisation that energy gave matter the potential to expand into space, the measurement which conscious thought calls time.


what says then energy?


“We have invented a system that revolts”

”Post industrial stone age…”


“Yep, but why?”


“Why are we entering a post industrial stone age?”

“What the hell is a post industrial stone age!”

“It is what it says it is mate, a return to the stone age when the power source of the industrial age is no longer available…”

“What is the power source of the industrial age again?”

“Energy, readily available stored solar energy”

“Energy is the power source of every age”

“Concentrated  stored solar energy?”

“And when it is no longer readily available?

“Olduvai theory kicks in?”

“That would seem to be the case, but why?”

“Why what?”

“Why a post industrial stone age? Everything will keep on working even given a massive reduction in the human population!”

“If people were rational this might be the case, but starving people are…”

“Starving people?”

“Yeh, who’s starving?”

“By twenty twelve the US and many other nation states no longer have enough energy to satisfy demand and have to cut power to the people in order to keep some industry, mainly agriculture, crawling along in order to…”

“Feed the people, haha, like a real life catch 22”

“Catch 22 was a parody of economics and social development and as such could be thought to already have represented true life, like Orwell!”

“Orwell never imagined an end to energy”

Stop showing off.

“No, but others already had, the social theorists now collectivized and marginalized by the market such that they are known as doomsdayers”

“They are always been wrong!”

“They have nothing positive to say!”

“There isn’t much positive to say, nevertheless, it seems they were just a little bit ahead of the curve…”

“And the downside of the curve isn’t going to be much fun?

“Not when the people with weapons start to get hungry!”

“The post industrial stone age will occur because mankind can not found a way out of the corner he has painted himself into”

“And because of resource wars”

“Resource wars?”

“When you are starving you will do anything to get food!”

“Starving again, who is starving?”

“Those that can’t afford the price of food”

“Iraq is a resource war of you like”

“Oil to keep the American economy afloat…”

“…not that worried personally”


“More of a realist, it is not really going to affect my long term outlook…”

“Gunna pop off this mortal coil?”

“Something like that..”


“Whats a cornucopian then?”

“An optimist, the amount of mass that can be used to create energy is infinite; technically at least…”

“Most of it is already bound up in the web of life, its potential already being used. If we were to harness more there would be less for other forms of life…”

“And unfortunately we are dependent upon these other forms of life for our life”

“So what you are saying is that it will be of no use to have your own food supply if all of a sudden there is someone with a bigger gun that needs it in order to survive?”

“Violence, yes, the cause of the stone age, the loss of enlightenment”

“The loss of enlightenment occurred when people became free to believe in anything!”

“Moses started out with ten laws for a well functioning community, Allah, through his biblical plagiarist prophet Muhammad, unfortunately allowed his laws to become open for wider interpretation “

“Oi, that’s disrespectful!”

“Right, sorry, but he did get a good portion of his story from the bible?”

“Yep, but the while the laws of Moses are still socially accepted rules for social deportment, they have also been distorted beyond recognition to encompass almost every human act.”

“Democracy allows people to believe in anything!”

“But not at the cost of a social breakdown! What about the American sub-clause, which must have Moses turning in his grave, which enforces the right to bear arms? How does that promote social harmony and sustainability?”

“The cost of a market democracy is social, hence the post industrial stone age!”

“Still think you are being disparaging towards the prophet, insh allah”

“You a muslim?”

“Nope, but a lot of others are”




“The do not like insults directed towards that which they are taught represents truth!”

“Isn’t that an insult?”

“Democracy fortunately allows me the freedom of speech and the freedom to question the foundation of their belief. Nevertheless, they have a social system that functions based on the rules in the book…”

“Not that good for women, and your brainwashing comment…”


“That which is taught to represent truth”

“…is irrelevant, a social system based on strict moral codes of behavior and you still haven’t said sorry”

“Ok, fair enough, I have little or no knowledge as to whether the prophet was a womanizer or not although it has been rumored so. I apologize for any offence caused, fair enough?

“What are you looking at me for? I’m a Hindi mate, well at least my parents were”

“Got a bindi”

“That rhymes”


“Ohh, what was that song?”

“Steves little girl?”


“Steve, the crocodile hunter, his little girl…”

“Put superglue on my bindi, tism… [sings] would the last person to leave please turn of the enlightenment [stops]… strangely pertinent”

“To what?”

“Democracy and the loss of enlightenment due to the ability to become ‘enlightened’ based on whatever belief you choose to choose”


“Well that is a religion supposedly…”

“Religion represents a social system as well as a belief”

“I am sure the scientology prophet has his visions of grandeur, a thousand virgins and a palace is always a good place to start, and them some servants…”

“A belief, the standpoint we are encouraged to take in the modern democracy, politically left or right for one, black or white or red or yellow skin for another, for or against abortion! Who are the hell are these people to decide! If it is such a complicated question then get some people together to answer it once and for all and rid society of the tension!”

“But it is a philosophical question that is very complicated!”

“It is a philosophical question that allows for the use of violence to promote a viewpoint!”

“Is a human life sacred from the moment of conception? That is basically the question isn’t it?”

“It would seem that the question, as many philosophical questions, can’t be successfully answered for a majority of citizens and therefore should be open for debate and a matter of choice. It however shouldn’t be a question of belief… what is there to believe in?”

“That human life is sacred from the moment of conception and we are willing to kill to prove it!”

“Once  a belief is established it allows for lobbying and the monopolization of support…”

“A business! Anti-abortion is big business in the US, gets a lot of money from somewhere!”

“Poor people probably, yes, poor people believing that these lobbyists represent their interests when in fact they have had their interests taught to them and then are forced to pay for them…”

“And why the fuck do they care if someone else makes a choice that they would oppose if it was theirs to make!”

“Which it is not!

“Wendy is anti-abortion…”

“No she is not mate, she just regrets the one she didn’t have… she believes in the right of the individual to decide for them selves as long as it doesn’t go out over the welfare of others.”

“She does”


“Wendy wasn’t the point”

“The point?”

“The point!”

“Which point?”

“The point that it shouldn’t be individuals that invest in the belief that they infer best represents their views”

“The views they have had given to them”

What does that mean?

“Isn’t that democracy, people decide for themselves?”

“Yes, but based on which decisions? Made by who?”


“What you mean is that people should be making decisions based on a reasonable approximation of the truth and not just dependent upon which truth they appropriate?”

“I think you have forgotten the question”

“What question?


“Who has forgotten?”

“It was your question”

“What question?”

The thing about the necessity of the olduvian slope…

“Why? J”

“That was it, why is the post industrial stone age necessary?”

“Why believe in the Olduvain theory anyway?”

“That is the point”

“What is?”

“That you shouldn’t believe in any theory.”

“So the theory is basically bullshit then?”

“No, not at all, it represents a reasonable calculation of the facts of the matter”

“Doesn’t it deny technology?”

“Technology is merely a use for excess energy in order to create more capital”

“Technology is what technology is; there is however no doubt that it has been fed on stored solar energy…”

“You mean it has grown with the increased supply of energy”

“It may yet create its own energy supply?”

That was the problem that has required all this reflection. If technology were to create its own energy supply would we become anything more than slaves to the market?

“Which is then logically where we are now?”

“Why then violence?”

“Excessive unfairness leads to revolution, which doesn’t seem to help…”

“Because revolutions must have a leader and having a leader leads to a concentration of power”

“Not having a leader leads to a power vacuum, which leads to violence”

“There is nothing wrong with our current system of social management that can be fixed by a revolution.”


“Energy would already be free if certain people didn’t own it” Anon

Energy is within everything. Everything has arisen due to the lack of energy that caused energy to appear. In the beginning there was only energy according to theoretical science and no one knows where this energy came from. But since energy can not come from naught nor create itself it would seem prudent to declare energy as the infinite constant. Energy is our omnipotent god and thus every living thing needs energy.

”Energy is nothing but a change within the potentiality of an object”

“Energy is inherent within the object and necessary for its existence. Potentiality is an expression of the availability of this energy.”

“But energy is a living force… that is to say in a constant state of flux.”


“Change if you like, movement…”

“Energy is a represented in the changing state of an object, due to external interference and hence the Chaos theory of energy”

“The potentiality of the state of change, but yes, nothing except existence has ever happened without an external force”

“Nothing ever comes from nothing!”

“Except something right? No? Something must have come from nothing at some stage? Or did nothing arise only as a theoretical argument due to the impossibility of the existence of something?”

“The potentiality of the change of state?”

“Energy is a representation of the potential an object has to change state due to an external force. I say object but I could just as easily be speaking of non physical things.”

“Such as the etheric wave known as light?”

“Yes, light has the potential to carry energy.”

“You mean to say that energy is inherent in light as it is in all things?”

“Well then, each object, including non physical objects such as light, have an inherent potential, we could call it the sum of the energy the object can potentially lose”



“Without what?”

“What if it lost its total potential?”

“Atom bomb”

“Droll… If it lost all of its energy it would cease to exist, or would exist in another form.”

“So the potential within every atom is very high”

“Well some more than others, due to the structure of the atoms more or less”

“Their intrinsic ability or the very nature of their being…”

“Yes but the laws of energy require that a very large accumulation of energy is required to release a similar amount of potential, thus the very nature of the atom is not to be divided once it has reached a stable form.”

“The nature of most atoms is spontaneous combustion no, otherwise they wouldn’t exist and they certainly wouldn’t accumulate.”

“A very large accumulation of energy would work like a battery? Storing potential?”

“Yes, but atomic energy works because the sum of the initial potential needed to affect the action leads to the possibility of a chain reaction”

“Well, chain reaction and chain reaction… if the energy laws are correct the sum total of the potential needed to create and sustain the nuclear industry would be the amount of potential it makes available”

“Not accounting for losses”

“And not necessarily speaking of fission since this creates a substance with a higher potential”

“But you cannot create energy, it is inherent within the object”

“But the object has the ability to recreate its self at a higher potential”

“This would be suitably religious if the object were human”

“Ok then, but how can the nuclear industry claim sustainability?”

The economic definition gives a lot of room for substitution of energy. Economic substitutability theory basically states that everything is perfectly substitutable and thus the absence of, or reduced availability of an object in demand…

Will lead to the creation of energy by other means in order to profit from the demand within the market…

Those blokes really do not understand energy and they really do not understand the market

“Such that the sustainability of the nuclear industry is a best a short term strategy that is thought to allow for sustainability at some point in the future.”

“Everyone knows that infinite growth cannot be sustained, that resources are finite and that the world in its current state represents nothing more than a conflagration of propaganda intended to serve the wishes of a commanding few.”

“Not everyone knows that… logically due to the propaganda people are not particularly interested in such.”

“So people are not aware that costs in the nuclear energy are scheduled to arise due to problems with geological availability…”

“Geological availability? Limits? I wasn’t aware…”

“Yup, there’s a limited amount of rocks.”

This is not the only reason for potential increases in the price of nuclear energy. As pointed out earlier the energy created from the process of splitting atoms is not any greater than the energy already inherent within the ‘rocks’. Electricity is however much more useful than rocks.  Thus the sum of the inputs and outputs is economically unbalanced; electricity can be sold for more than rocks. Energy and electricity are often confused.

“But electricity will always be the most valuable”

“But you can’t create electricity without the rocks…”

“Or the stored solar energy”

“You need the stored solar energy in order to get at the rocks”

“So that without stored solar energy the nuclear industry would be non-viable?”

“Without the stored solar energy every industry would be non-viable! Hence the rising costs of stored solar energy leads to rising costs in every industry”

“You could argue that rocks are another form of stored solar energy whose potential is harder to extract than these others we are more familiar with.”

“Hence the theory of substitutability, other areas within the market will have to balance the equation, such that you do not even have to substitute energy with energy. You can substitute energy with increased efficiency, thus saving energy.”

“How do you save energy?”

“Ha-ha, save it from what? It’s self?

“You basically use less, less has to be created, and more is available for future use”

“You must have seen the ads on the tele; the government has been trying to get us to save everything for ages, save water, save power, save the climate…”

“No one wants to as long as it diminishes their quality of life and the market philosophers would have you believe that less things means less happiness.”

“Which could be true!”


“Well to my mind happiness is only the state of mind that causes happiness and as such can be manipulated by the forces of propaganda to the point where nobody really knows what makes them happy but assume a new car might do it. Though of course most of us acknowledge that something is wrong…”

“But no one wants to jeopardise their inheritance even if it means using up the inheritance of the earth!”

While infinitely distracting, none of this changes the basic premise, less is not created, an increasing amount is demanded (by the theory of growth if not consumers) and therefore an increasing amount is created. However, given a low energy economy…

“Has the market really ever encouraged any decreases? Growth must continue!”

“But you cannot create more forever and you can not save anything, no one even has a say”

“No one can create energy!”

“Baring the eventuality of a god”

It would appear that our friends are impressed by the inherent energy theory. But then where did the energy inherent within the objects come from? If energy cannot be created then something must have come from nothing and hence the reference to the god principle I assume.

“There is only a limited amount available, and as the availability of one source decreases so do the availabilities of all the other sources”

“Sunlight will always be around, at least for 7 Billion years or something like that!”

“Is availabilities even a word?”

My spell check says it is, or at least I infer that my spell check says that isn’t, I don’t get a red line…

But can a spell checking program really tell you anything except what it is told to tell you?

“Sunlight cannot support a population this size, or so it would appear”

“Sunlight could supply enough energy, theoretically”

“Well then, what’s the problem? We just have to wait until the price is right and sunlight will give a better return on investment?”

“We receive enough energy from the ‘sun’ to power the entire human economy theoretically; the only problem with us using this energy is that then the rest of the planet wouldn’t receive very much”

“So as the economy continues to grow it will internalize this problem, we will grow what we need to eat and keep alive that which we need for amusement”

A tiger or two hopefully, I like tigers, I was a picture of one today, it was drawn on a computer using lines and dashes. I still knew what I was. So there are a myriad of solutions but until we start considering humans to be nothing more than servants to the economy, which is of course nothing more than we are now, we are ignoring the facts. The entire planet and its entire energy resources are slave to the wishes of capital. The pursuit of increasing returns on capital does not correspond to sustainable policies nor accept that there may be limits.